Thank yourself - You did all the work: Evaluating the Fourth Session with Joanna

Hey Danna, we, just got off the phone with Joanna with

her session number four we're gonna

review and

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Yes.

talk about how that session went from your point of view.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Mm-hmm.

I have to admit that, um, the A DHD part of my brain activates and I

am not fully tuned into your conversation.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: That's fine.

I'm trying to be totally honest because

Danna Levy Hoffmann: That's.

listening, but if I have a computer in front of me, I'm doing other

stuff and so I'm only half listening.

But I did, I just want the listeners to know it's a struggle.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Mm-hmm.

It really is,

a struggle.

But I did hear, and we, you guys talked a lot about her, food logging

in her session three, she was also, and even in session two when we

talked about food logging a lot.

so I guess my first question from you as the, from the coaching perspective,

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Mm-hmm.

you seen her shifting?

It's only been four sessions, but it's been whatever, two months.

And how have you seen her shifting with her attitude or mentality towards food

logging and how has the food logging actually helped her from your perspective?

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Yeah, that's a really good question.

I think that there was a lot of, um, Ooh, I'm blanking out on the word.

Ambivalence, would that be the correct word to say?

Yeah.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: at the beginning when we just discussed it and, you

know, it kind of brought, I would say, almost fear of some sort in her.

Like, I kind of, I don't wanna do this.

Like I don't wanna do, you know, I don't wanna have the

phone on me when I'm eating.

I don't want the kids to see me taking pictures of my food

and all legitimate, legitimate.

I was gonna say excuses.

It's not an excuse, it's just a legitimate reasoning not to do that.

I think we were just really lucky that she had this, extra project at

work where they gave them the CGM.

so we were lucky enough that that project was going on literally as we were working

together, and she almost had to do it.

So, you know, it just, just wanting to be part of that, um.

Project So that was really lucky and I'm just really glad that she

found her own groove in doing that.

Right.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: some of her diary or some of her logging,

was images, some of it was text.

She found her way and when we started the call and she said.

Oh, you know, no, sorry.

Not even when we started the call, she wrote us, um, in our group chat.

I haven't kept up with it so well over the weekend and this week, but I'll get

back into it and I thought, okay, she, she means the food, not the logging.

But then when we started the call and she's like, I'm super happy I

have energy and stuff like that.

Oh, that's interesting.

And then just by asking some questions, I realized, oh, it was just the

logging that she didn't keep up with.

It wasn't the actual eating habits, which made me so, so happy

But let me ask you a question.

So it wasn't the actual eating habits, it was just the logging that you kind of.

That kind of fell through.

Oh, okay.

No, then I'm super happy

right.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: because, you know, it was, it's very easy to not log and

then also not do, but that wasn't the case, which is, you know, kudos to her.

That's just really, really great.

Well, and I think we should point out that you're working

with someone in a coaching coachee capacity, The whole point is to

make small changes over a period of time long-term and long longevity

in these better health style, health lifestyle that then helps you set up.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Yes.

some of the things that we ask you to do to establish that are.

Not long-term things like

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Yes,

think anybody ever wants to log their food.

Long term, um,

Danna Levy Hoffmann: exactly.

how many calories they're eating or even taking pictures

of your food other than for, you know, aesthetic Instagram reasons.

so I, I think it's always good to tell people like, this is a, this is a short

term thing in order to increase your understanding of your habits, because

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Yes.

we have a tendency to overlook how much we do something.

And how much it impacts us because what you do consistently

is what impacts you the most.

are doing something habitually.

You don't draw attention to it, then you are not gonna think that's the thing

I need to change, or that's the thing I need to experiment with changing.

and so even if there's a little bit of pushback, it's like, okay,

you don't have to do it forever.

You know, it is, it is a pain in the ass for two weeks, but the information that

you get from it is going to revolutionize the way you see how your food and

dietary intake and just in general lifestyle is affecting your health.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: A hundred percent.

And you know, even the questions that I asked her, I think before doing

that food log and, and maybe also in combination with the CGM, she probably,

would not have been able to necessarily give me a straight answer about where,

when I mentioned her granola breakfast.

Granola yogurt, fruit.

And you know, again, some people really don't.

It, it doesn't work.

If I eat that kind of breakfast, I am starving.

About an hour, two hours in, I'm starving.

Like actual, like shaking, like what is going on.

And for her she said it's actually a good breakfast for me.

I do see, for example, the breakfast, which is considered a healthier Breakfast

to have, which is the granola with the fruits and, and the yogurt And I see some

nuts and seeds in there, which is great.

The real question is how your body is reacting to such a breakfast,

because it still is high on.

fructose,

have that breakfast and I usually won't get hungry

until, you know, 10 30 or 11.

And if I have that around then, then.

I don't wanna eat until three or four kind of throws off my whole day.

'cause then I'm like, I don't want lunch.

but then I,

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Yeah.

a small lunch thing kind of right before dinner time.

But, but it

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Right, right.

Okay.

Well,

for a good four or five hours.

And then, no, I don't feel like super, like hunger pangs.

I think for me

Danna Levy Hoffmann: okay.

Perfect.

breakfast.

I have it.

Yeah, but I mean the, yeah, I don't know what it does to my blood sugar.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: And I don't know that she would've been

able to give me that answer.

so directly and so confidently before she, she worked on that.

So I think you're totally right.

I think there's definitely things that we, it's so hard to start, but as soon

as we start doing it, it's kind of, it's more the starting, it's more the kind of

like starting something that we don't know what it's gonna look like and, and throws

us off a little bit and stuff like that.

But as soon as we kind of click into it, it just becomes a new habit.

I agree.

I don't think anyone needs to do food logging for their, you

know, during their, their life.

I mean, really not maybe here and there like once a year for a

couple of weeks to see your rhythm.

maybe you need to food log in order to

Danna Levy Hoffmann: If you're an elite athlete, someone

else needs to do that for you.

Even then, you don't have to do it yourself, That's why I tried to also get

her to evolve into, okay, we know what your meals look like roughly, right?

We know that you're really kind of, you know, striving, doing your best.

I didn't even go into the rest of her food log.

Because, yeah, there were other things there that I was like, eh, not great.

But I didn't wanna get stuck on that because she's feeling better.

She's doing great.

She's very motivated.

I'm not gonna be like, yeah, but you're eating too much bread.

You know, that's not, that's not helpful.

So for me it was like, okay, great.

So how about we'll evolve into just the marking system, which

seemed she seemed to resonate with.

Because when I said, you know, continue the food blog, she's like,

yeah, or the color code thing.

And I was like, yes.

So the goals that we discussed.

We were talking about putting sticky notes to kind of continue

with the food logging because you do feel that it's helpful to you,

Or the stoplight

Danna Levy Hoffmann: and to.

Yes, exactly.

Or do that, whatever feels right to you

Mm-hmm.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: That would be great.

That would be so much easier for you to keep up with.

I'm super psyched for her.

I think it was a great call.

I think she's feeling, she remember on our first call with her, she was

like, what is it that I'm looking for?

What will I feel?

What will I see?

And, and I was like, ah, you know.

working?

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Exactly, give me black on white information.

And I was like, look, I, I, sorry, but I can't necessarily do that.

Yeah.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: maybe here and there, but, and now she saw it and she

feels it, and she was like, thank you.

And, and I was like, no, I don't know why you're thanking me.

There's, I did nothing.

So I did not cook your meals.

I did not keep your food log.

I'm just here to hold your hand.

yeah, I really noticed a difference.

So thank you for that.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: That's amazing.

I mean, I didn't do anything.

You did all the work.

I was just there to, you know, support a little bit.

But you should.

You should thank yourself.

Okay.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Excellent.

So I think that's another thing to really make sure to as a coach, to, Make sure

that they understand that it's them.

Yeah.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: It's not us.

We're not doing anything

Well that, but also we recently had a, a call

with Dina from Red House of.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Collagen, yes.

of collagen.

Thank you very much.

And we're working on, on getting her episode out.

with Red light therapy, as she was saying, and we asked like, okay,

well how often should people go?

Like, that's what people are asking her.

Again, the same thing is, well, how do I know this is working?

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Yeah.

like, you have to listen to your body.

You have, I mean,

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Yeah.

for everybody.

some people might wanna come twice a week, and that works really well for them.

Some people might wanna come every day or once a month.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Right.

so I think it's not just with health coaching

and nutrition and lifestyle changes in general, it is really.

As we have preached until the end of days, everything is unique to

your own body, and as soon as you start listening to your body and

understanding and that listening might.

Come in the form of taking notes about how you feel and because your memory

is not good, have some way of recording or tracking or monitoring how you feel.

It could be talking to your own, audio thing.

It could be using transcription.

It could be just taking a quick note in a digital journal.

It doesn't matter.

But the point is you being able to go back and see some kind of change.

good or bad,

we'll giving you that information.

You need to know your body better.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Yeah, a hundred percent.

Yeah, I know because I'm awesome.

This is

Danna Levy Hoffmann: That is so true that so.

I think we could probably leave it there 'cause

we could continue to gush.

but let's, let's leave it there.

And we have, two more sessions.

With, Joanna, and then we'll be done with this round with her.

So let's see in the end, at.

this is such a great avenue for us to really see.

Day one, how she was feeling today, to

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Yeah.

months later how she's feeling and what's changed for her.

And of course, we'll, we'll do a bit of a interview with her at the end as well.

to see how the whole experience was for her outside of the

context of, of coaching.

So.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Yeah.

Sounds like a great idea.

Cool.

Alright.

Thanks

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Cool.

Thanks Megan.

Bye.