Why Sleep Comes First: An Inside Look at Health Coaching - Session 1 Tina

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Hi, Tina.

What is new and good with you?

Hi Danna.

since last we spoke, I think I still had that broken hand wrist, so that

is fully healed and I also don't have problems with my concussion anymore.

So that's good.

So daily challenges are not as challenging as they were during

the time, while I was recovering.

So no, I'm good.

I'm very excited in a sense that we are starting this journey.

I'm really feeling everything is becoming more optimistic in a sense that it's.

hard to start something, right?

It's one thing to plan it, to wanna do it, to have this wishful thinking

and to think, oh, it would be good, to the, to do this kind of things.

But yeah, so I'm glad, when the opportunity came up that, that

I applied and found you guys.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Excellent.

We're super excited to have you on and we're.

Really hopeful that, we can help even just a little bit.

we do have a limited time together, but we're gonna try and just

support you whichever way we can.

and, remembering your health history, there were quite a few things

that were a challenge for you.

And so I was wondering since our last call.

Was there anything that came up in your brain, that concerned you,

that worried you, that excited you about working together?

About working together?

Yeah, something that excites me the most is that I don't

feel alone anymore with this.

if, now that I have, this kind of attention and people that really

wanna help me and, to kick off this kind of journey with me, this is

what I'm like super excited about.

concerns.

not really every now and then I was thinking, ah, I am, I will not

overshare, because if I feel like very safe, I tend to overshare.

and then people tell me, there was a little bit too much information,

so I learned to keep things to myself over the past years,

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Yeah.

also a bit too much,

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Yeah.

stopped sharing anything.

So I, I am glad to have this kind of safe space now where I can just, start

talking whatever comes up in my mind and just we see how it gets, if it

gets us anywhere, if it's helpful or not helpful or, because, I don't know,

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Yeah.

to structure whatever's going on inside me.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: That's totally fine, and we're totally okay with oversharing.

We're limited in time in every recording, but I don't think there's

anything wrong with oversharing.

Again, another beautiful side effect of A DHD.

I don't know if you're even, I'm.

I'm diagnosing you.

not meant to diagnose you, it is totally fine to overshare.

I think any piece of information that comes out of you is helpful for me

to help you through this journey.

And so I don't want you to feel like you need to walk on eggshells

in any way, shape, or form.

give me what you got.

And maybe sometimes I'll be like, all right, let's move

back to, push us back on track.

But I'm not too worried about it.

Megan is very worried about it because I tend to go over time and

ignore her notes when she says 10 minutes left and five minutes left.

But that's, yeah, that's her problem.

So let's dig right in I kind of reviewed again your health history.

I usually have it open generally during our call and there was one

thing that really jumped into my eye, but I'm really curious if you.

Could guess what it is, maybe I'll give you some ideas because you did mention

things about, so you wrote in your general health, concerns you wrote,

struggle to fall asleep, bad quality of sleep, digestion problems, constipation,

diarrhea, bloating, all of them.

You have deficiencies.

So you mentioned Iron vi, vitamin B, 12, and D and endometriosis.

Those are just.

Your general ones.

there's also breast cancer concerns, family, genetic, basically.

there's migraines, it seems few things.

What do you think is like the one thing I'm eager to start with?

is it one of those

things that you just mentioned?

maybe bad quality of sleep.

I

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Yeah.

ding,

really.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: yes.

I know.

It's super surprising, but it is.

And if I may go on a little bit of a rant.

First off, I'll explain why, so that it's a bit clearer, and I love

that it came to your mind first because obviously that means that.

That is on your, top priority list as well.

we sleep bad, everything is bad.

our stress, our way of managing stress, very difficult.

Our eating habits cannot control, what we eat, how we eat, how

much we eat, things like that.

everything is just.

Crappy when we don't get enough sleep.

I would love to talk to you a little bit about sleep, tackle that in the

first maybe 10 minutes of our call and then move forward, because I know

that with certain . Sleep issues.

it's not in our control.

Obviously, we want to sleep well and be rested.

so there might be a few follow-ups to do and a few things to check and

maybe get the right doctor to, to check certain things But I wanna

hear from you a little bit more.

Let's also give our listeners a bit better view of what that means.

When you have really bad sleep, you just wrote your sleep is very bad and

you get four to six hours of sleep.

dig into that.

I have, there have always been faces, In my life where I, where

my quality of sleep would decline.

mean during, I mean before exams at school or at university, when we

have, or when any kind of deadline, I would be like so nervous I would,

having trouble to shut down my brain and really, Get the rest I needed.

I, my, yeah, my brain would still be like, so active.

I would be so worried about so many things.

Not just school related stuff, but also family, about

friendship, about, relationships.

Um, I really tend to think and maybe also overthink a lot.

so at some point I, I started to work out a lot to basically

. To be able to fall into some sort of coma

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Yeah, wear yourself out.

Yeah.

yes, to wear myself out so much.

And I thought at the beginning, oh yes, this is what I need to get the balance

I need to get, but I think I was trying to overcompensate maybe, for something

and ignoring the root cause or whatever.

and then.

at this, at some point the quality of sleep was doing better.

It was after my PhD defense, I was pregnant.

I decided to take a break from everything because the journey

until the PhD defense was also quite intense I decided to take a break.

During that time, the, for a couple of months, it was actually okay.

I was happy.

But then, when you're pregnant, your belly gets bigger and

then the baby starts to turn.

If everything is going well and it's belly starts sinking, and then you start

to get up during the night, I don't know how many times, just to empty your

bladder then when the baby is there.

you react to every tiny noise, and I, like my rational side of me knows that

this is, thanks to evolution, Biology wants us to, stay alert and to be able

to listen to our baby's needs, especially if it's a newborn and stuff like that.

So it doesn't starve if it doesn't get eaten by wolves.

I don't.

I'm exaggerating, but know what I mean nature wants us to

react and to respond quickly.

However, I thought that when I stopped breastfeeding, when

she was about nine months old.

because she was eating solid, she was actually, she stopped

breastfeeding, not me.

I wanted to continue.

she didn't, she liked food a lot better at some point.

And, then I thought, okay, look at it at the bright side, Tina, you can finally

get the sleep you need because now you know, when she wakes up during the night.

Your partner can get up and give her the bottle or do whatever.

she's not dependent on you, on your body anymore.

Look at it from the bright side.

However, it really did not improve all.

our kid sleeps in a separate bedroom by now.

However, we keep the door open that the door's open so that if she

needs us, we can hear her right.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Sure.

And she just needs to, it's like on day, it's exactly the same as on day one.

She makes a little sound like, mm, and I'm

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Yeah.

Yeah.

I'm like, what does she need?

Does she have pain?

Does is she having a nightmare?

and then I immediately think as I, as a kid, as a small age,

I remember that I used to have nightmares is she having a nightmare?

Should I go to her comfort her?

Does she need me already or am I overthinking it already and then

boom, I'm already in the spiral of I

Danna Levy Hoffmann: You're done?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's gone.

And so it's taking me a lot of time to fall back to sleep.

And I try different things.

Some of them help a bit, some of them don't at all.

And I, I don't know.

Yeah,

this definitely is a problem.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: so that was my next question.

What, did you try, what does work for you and what didn't, let's say?

or do you have anything that at least helps you, a little bit nowadays

or not really is the real question.

so there are two things that kind of help, but.

I just stopped doing.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Fair enough . Natural.

I wish it was ridiculous, but unfortunately it's very human.

Yeah,

because sometimes I think do it.

You know what to do.

Just do it Anyway.

So one thing that helped was there was this kind of, I

forgot the name to be honest.

I have to check it.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: that's fine.

some sort of, was it a podcast on Spotify where you listen to rain

drops or whale sounds and you do breathing, exercises and like that.

one thing I definitely still do is that at some point of time in the evening,

I mean in summer it's a bit irrelevant, but I try to make everything a bit darker

and have, if I put a light on, I try to put it on a nightlight mode, like kind of

reddish light, warm orange, reddish light,

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Yeah.

try to prepare my body to calm down a bit.

I do get the signs behind it, right?

not the lack of knowledge or the lack of the logic to understand

or the whatever I don't know.

I'm just so distracted.

I can't even, think partially it's also lack of time to, to do it.

But then I think one of the main factors is that that moment, I simply forget

and I'm so drained and I lie in bed and.

Then my husband is like, oh, we haven't talked to each other the whole day.

can I tell you about my day?

And I don't want to be a shitty partner, right?

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Sure.

I don't wanna be the one that says, leave me alone.

I wanna do my breathing exercises.

I wanna sleep.

And I'm just like, because especially on the days when I bring our daughter

to bed, usually fall asleep by her side.

So my husband has to wake me up.

Get me to the, bedroom and then I, where I can actually sleep, right?

then he's like, how are you, how was your day?

Can I tell you about my day?

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Wrong timing.

Partner.

and I'm like, yes.

And I'm like, okay, tell me about your day.

Oh, really?

Oh, wow.

I'm so happy for you.

And then at some point I'm like, I'm awake again.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Yeah.

So I lost the momentum.

So this is like one scenario

Danna Levy Hoffmann: it gives me a good overview, but what I'm hearing

is definitely the overthinking, which is something that there's not much we

can, there is, of course, meditation does help and things like that,

but the overthinking is one thing.

But what I'm also hearing is a lot more, and because I, again, reviewed

your health history and we talked before, and I know that there are

other, imbalances, and things that you are missing in your body that you have

tested and checked, whe whether it's the vitamin D and B12 and iron, et cetera.

My gut feeling, which is.

Rarely is that there are probably other deficiencies that you have

those deficiencies, you'd be really surprised at how helpful they are at

bringing your body to a fuller rest and to be able to sleep better, deeper.

It sounds like your sleep is so light again, because of stress and

because of just the hyper alertness that women just naturally get.

Unfortunately, as soon as we become mothers, the combination of all of these

things is obviously not helpful, this could go on many, many years, and probably

next, by next year, your daughter's not gonna wake up at night and probably not

gonna make even much noise, or you'll decide to close the door and everything

will be fine, and still you'll be very light slee or of lacking certain things.

So what I would say is, of course we will definitely talk about, things like kind of

tricks and ideas that maybe will help you.

but.

This is a little mini share.

I had crappy sleep from babyhood to basically like maybe 10

years ago when I started going to functional medicine doctor.

And they were like, your amino acids are stupidly low, tryptophan

is one of them that is responsible for sleep and for deep sleep.

And as soon as I started with that supplementation and started doing

a few supplements that helped.

It helps.

it's amazing.

It's so much different and it's not that you don't wake up.

It's not that you're like taking a sleeping pill and you don't hear

when someone's crying, but you also don't wake from every, eh, and then

you're up thinking that the kid is dying while they just hiccuped.

So, we want to make sure that your sleep is deeper, because I think that will then

help to not get into that spiral of, I'm up, I'm awake, I'm alert, I'm ready to

fight the whatever cyber juice tiger.

When you're home and safe and everything's fine so what I would

say is, again, we'll talk about breathing, exercise and all the things.

when it comes to light, it's funny that you mentioned

like the red light and stuff.

Some brains react to red light as wake up and blue light is calming and some, it's,

Oh really?

Danna Levy Hoffmann: the different, kind of levels in the brain and what side

is working more and stuff like that.

you'd get sometimes like glasses that are blue and glasses that are red, and

one would bring you to calm and one would bring you to this like alertness

and it could be different in different stages and different people . So

it's just again, I'm not saying it's wrong, it's, it makes sense, right?

Sundown, kind of becomes red.

Don't stop doing that.

But it's just something to keep in mind.

Every person is different.

I would definitely recommend going to a doctor.

I will send you a link and let them do proper.

Tests, like just amino acids, like everything.

And let's see if then supplementing.

This could take a little while until you get the tests done, until you get

the results and get the supplements.

When we start doing that, I think it would actually be super helpful for you.

Okay.

Yes.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: so what I can do is send you maybe a couple

of supplements that I don't think will actually be a problem.

They're not problematic for anyone to take and could actually

just help to calm the nerves.

I know you're taking magnesium.

We'll discuss which magnesium and things like that.

Just to calm the nerves and calm the brain a little bit.

And then when we then push it with supplements that are helpful for actual

production, natural melatonin production, you might actually feel like you can

actually sleep deeper and better.

Yeah.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Then the world feels a little bit less overwhelming.

Yes.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Because your brain got the rest of it needed and

it can tackle the day and not just be like, I can't, this is too much.

Okay.

do you think about that?

does that sound like a good first plan for.

definitely.

It's the start, And, I have never done like, sometimes every couple of years

you do like a checkup, but then the doctors, they have a different focus.

They look at certain things, but they don't really address, or

maybe I've never really expressed.

the lack of sleep or the bad body of sleep enough in the past.

but when was the last time I did a proper checkup?

I don't know.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: And that's the thing.

probably.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Yeah.

And after about three months, it's not even valid, three to six

months, it's not even accurate anymore because it's been months.

So that's totally fine.

I think the per, yeah.

the person that I wanna send you to is also, I know she's very

functional, medicine focused.

so she will check other things.

What I recommend is coming to her either with the health history that you sent us.

Already you have their things that you mentioned.

So you have 'em down, or just a list.

the sleep, the migraines, da.

And then from that she'll say, okay, great.

Migraines are usually pointing to histamine intolerance.

Let's check about your histamine.

like all of those things.

So she'll put it all in order and know what to test for.

Of course, some of the tests might be out of pocket, and then it's your

choice if you wanna do them or not.

If you feel comfortable doing that, I recommend just getting it

all done so that you know what's going on and then we'll talk.

Okay.

No, I think it's a good investment.

I will definitely.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: yeah.

it.

I'm been happy to take that,

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Okay.

recommendation.

Thank

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Excellent.

Excellent.

so that's really good.

You did also mention that you lately crave coffee and sugar, and that in my

eyes is linked to the sleep, Because your body is saying, I need energy.

And what it means is that go to sleep.

But what we read into it is, I need energy and I need to wake up because I

need to deal with my kid, deal with my job, deal with the household, deal with

the laundry, dah, da, all the things.

so that's when we go more for coffee and sugar and carbs,

because that's our energy source.

completely makes sense.

when it comes to the migraines.

Let me know what you think about this idea, because again, migraines

could be related to a lot of things.

often the first thing that we check is histamine intolerance, and so I'm

wondering if maybe it is something.

That you're having in your kind of on your day-to-day or link to things

that you're having at certain times when the migraine is being triggered.

Eating.

Yeah.

Eating, drinking,

I would have to pay attention to that.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: yeah.

not.

I should.

What should I do?

Should I make a food journal?

I don't know.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Yeah, that would be amazing.

So again, if it's something Yeah, if that's something that doesn't,

that you don't feel is putting too much stress on you, right?

you could do it in so many different ways.

You can just pictures of the meals, put a little note, you can send

it to us on WhatsApp, or you can just put it in, PDF or whatever,

if it's okay that I just sent you or

Danna Levy Hoffmann: a hundred percent.

if it's okay, could put it in the chat.

I think that's very easy then.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: So please, and then we can look at edit together.

It's easier for me to connect the dots, but what I need you to do is this.

So take a photo of the meal, write down if there's something not

there, or I'll ask questions if I don't understand something.

But take a pictures of the meal and just mention, maybe at the end of

the day also Or, throughout, like how much water you had that day or drinks?

maybe the stress levels and the sleep, which I guess,

will help to a certain degree.

But when we see, oh, and of course when you have a migraine.

Okay, so, then we see, and we can maybe connect the dots, maybe not.

but I would love to keep everything else the same so that we get a better

view so that when we make changes, they're actually linked to what we saw

and not just in the air and wait for a bird to fall, if because then we can

really see, because you did, just a couple of things that you mentioned in

what you eat these days in your, health history, they are high in histamine.

And if it's something that you have more, like our histamine intake is like

a bucket, if we have a little bit of histamine, it's okay, but if we have,

if it piles on, it just flows over.

And that's where our body just reacts to higher histamine levels.

having a kombucha is.

explain some of my digestion problems, maybe?

Danna Levy Hoffmann: It could be though.

I have a gut feeling it's a bit more than that, but we'll see histamine usually

not, not not as much as you mentioned.

So it would maybe be, but it's more histamine.

You would have more migraines, maybe, kind of skin issues or

like eczema and things like that.

there's

That is

Danna Levy Hoffmann: things.

interesting because I have this one spot.

Every now and then pops up and it's really like an eczema.

Eczema

is, how is it pronounced in English?

In

Eczema.

and it's so uncomfortable.

It's so itchy and it's, I'm having such a hard time not to scratch.

and it really pops up every now and then, okay, interesting.

I will try to document as,

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Yeah, try and again, if you miss a meal or if you

miss a day, don't beat yourself up.

Okay.

Whatever, but the more information we have, the easier it might be to

set things out and figure them out.

and then, yeah, I would say also with your, again, with the gut,

symptoms, I. Definitely do a stool test with that doctor as well because

she can find a lot the stool test.

I have my ideas but I don't wanna put it in your head and I

don't wanna put it in her head.

I want results.

The black on wife.

Yeah, exactly.

So I love finding out that I'm right, of course, like everyone,

we'll have to wait and see.

and getting those results will be very helpful to move forward because

when there's so many symptoms piled on a little bit harder, again, to know

what the chicken is, what the egg is.

where do we need to tackle first?

if you have something called leaky gut, for example, and you're taking

supplements, you're not absorbing most of them, which is a shame.

So I wouldn't want you to start taking supplements that are literally

being flushed down the toilet.

That's a waste of money.

that's why I feel like with your situation, we probably want to know more

before we actually dig in, then the doctor would be able to, To give us a better

idea of where do we start, what do we do?

She's very good at these kind of things.

please be in touch before you go to her, 'cause I need to

give you some direction there.

but otherwise I would feel very good when you're in good hands a person

who knows what she's looking for.

All right.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Okay, so I would say just the two goals that's that

we'll set up for you for the next couple of weeks is to write down all of your

symptoms and make an appointment with her.

Okay get some tests done and to keep some sort of a food diary,

whichever way you feel comfortable.

Okay.

WhatsApp is totally fine and any other information that you

can give us is totally fine.

So any other symptoms if you feel like, after this meal I was super bloated,

or I had to run to the toilet, or I couldn't go to the toilet for two days.

If you're comfortable.

We're not scared of poop, so we're,

I'm good.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: So that would be super helpful.

And I think that would really give us, give you a good overview of,

oh, okay, this is what's going on.

Because it's sometimes harder to realize what we eat and how we eat

because we're on a daily grind.

when you all of a sudden look at it in like an overview, you are like, oh

my God, I didn't realize that I have.

Pasta four times a week.

I don't know.

I'm just saying things, but it's, it is interesting to get a

better grasp of it and it al also will give me a good overview of

what your daily meals look like.

Okay.

For zero judgment from our end.

It's just for information's sake.

Definitely.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Okay.

How do you feel about these goals?

What do you feel stressed about them?

Do you feel confident?

I think it's doable, especially I don't have to write it down.

If I can send you pictures and give you like a quick text in

the chat, then, definitely.

So whenever I ingest something, I will think of you.

And send you pictures and give you as much information as I can if, for example,

I would have to write it down journal or I don't know, manually or digitally,

and then provide you with a report or something and send it to you by a certain

time or date, I think that would at the moment feel overwhelming.

but if I can just, randomly send you pictures, oh, this

is what I'm eating right now.

I think that's even, I think it's even fun,

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Excellent.

Love it.

Yes, it will be fun and we will make sure not to comment in the group.

Too much so that it keeps to that.

So don't feel like we're ignoring you.

I'm just keeping it organized.

and if I have any questions in between, I'll just ask, oh, what is that?

Or, just to have some clarifications.

Excellent.

I'm wondering,

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Yeah.

one, one thing wondering if now that I am gonna send pictures

of my food to other people, if I would unconsciously eat healthier, If

Danna Levy Hoffmann: I know what you mean.

my choice, because now I'm like, am I going to eat those fries

because I'm sure there will be fries.

You know what I mean?

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Yeah.

and I'm gonna say two things.

If you do, I guess no harm done, if you don't, that's totally okay.

And I almost want you not to, which sounds like I, I'm, it's hard

for me to even say, 'cause I, of course, I want you to eat healthier.

Yes, but it, but it would kind of

Danna Levy Hoffmann: so if you feel like that's

change.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: already motivation to eat healthier, that's great.

But just maybe try to notice then.

We can also do one week of this and one week of that, as for experiment's sake,

and see, oh, are the migraines less?

Or whatever, less, am I sleeping better?

I don't know, whatever it is.

so we can actually make it into a little bit of a game.

We can gamify anything.

I love gamifying things, so try to notice it and let us know.

Let us know if it really feels oh, wow, I'm actually, this would've

been a different choice if I didn't have to send this to you.

that would be fun to, to hear.

to, yeah.

But do you think we should do it already like this, or should

I really try to ignore the fact that I'm sending, I don't know.

I

Danna Levy Hoffmann: I don't think.

to make to, for you to analyze the data.

I think it's better if I just do my thing.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: I love how we just got a full live,

how much you're in your head.

Yes.

you could see me, right?

You could see me

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Yeah, you see the wheels moving already?

the other.

I'm

Danna Levy Hoffmann: That's totally fine.

No, it's totally fine.

I love it.

don't worry about it.

Try to notice these things after the fact and just be like, you

can even keep it as a note.

I would've had fries now if it wasn't for this picture.

so try to notice if you Yeah.

But literally try to be as little in your own head about it as possible.

And I know it's easier said than done because you've been in your

head for how old are you like.

40, what?

37 fricking years.

It's been a while, right?

So to change that overnight is impossible.

okay.

but I would just say whatever comes, just take it with stride.

If you realize that you did it, you made a different decision, just give

yourself a pat on the back and be like, cool, I'm eating healthier.

And if you didn't just be like, cool, Donna needs this information.

So anything is okay.

Okay.

Anything is okay.

Great.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: All right, Tina, how do you feel with the goals and

how do you feel after our first call?

I feel very good.

Yeah.

I feel like taking, taking baby steps, doing one, tackling one thing

at a time, and especially tackling the thing that think my daily life

the most, I think that's, yeah, that

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Great.

was good.

Feels good.

Feels great.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Excellent.

Let me give you a little bit of a bonus points if you wish.

Yeah, sir.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: you wake up, listen to those whales, listen to that podcast or

whatever it is that helps you and try to see how many times you manage to do that.

Just because you have an accountability partner and you wanna say oh my

God, I did that and it helped.

Okay.

Just whenever it comes to your mind.

Yeah.

Yeah, I will definitely try that.

I should, set myself reminders, maybe,

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Yeah, whatever.

Whatever puts, whatever does not stress you.

That's a little bit of a tricky one.

I know.

But yeah, just.

Even a sticky note, if there's a spot where you always look when

you're waking up at night, I don't know, the side of a bedside table or

something like that, where you can just be like, whales, I don't know.

then just put a little sticky note.

That doesn't need to be, I'm a big component of.

At night, let's not even come close to the screen and to the

phone and things like that.

Like it should be outta the room.

So I wouldn't want you to have an alarm at two in the morning,

by the way, if you're still up.

but just a little sticky note and we can definitely also talk about just breathing

exercises next time and how to just get a little bit out of your own head.

Even when you're listening to those whales or forest or whatever it

is, just try to take deep breaths.

Just while you're listening, just try to take deep breaths, just focusing

on our breath expanding the esophagus.

Physiologically calms us down, right?

So it could just be a little helpful, a little more helpful.

Even if you're not listening to the meditation and you're just laying there

and going I just wanna fall asleep now.

Just fall asleep in mantra, fall asleep.

You're fine, you're safe.

Baby's safe, everyone's good.

just taking really deep breaths and expanding your body.

will actually help to just, come out of here and go more into here

and just focus on your breathing.

Okay.

I like the sticky note idea of looking at the screen,

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Excellent.

to hide the time, the

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Oh yeah.

at the

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Yes.

that kind of stresses me as well when I wake up and I see how late it is,

or like in the middle of the night, and so I started to put something in front

of it so that I don't see in the night.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Honestly, whatever stresses you out,

don't have it in the bedroom.

take it out if you naturally wake up at a certain time or if you know

that your husband wakes up, I don't know, or he has an alarm or something

like that, just leave it out.

Just leave it out.

I don't have a clock in my bedroom anymore 'cause of exactly the same thing.

I know that I had so many sleep issues as soon as I saw the time, I was starting

to calculate how much time I have left and before I have to wake up in the

morning now I'm here and that's it.

So just get rid of it, you'll be fine.

Worst case, you come home, you come to work late.

I don't think that's a bad thing.

Thank you so much.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Thank you, Tina.

I'm looking forward to our next call.

too.

Have a great week.