Burnt Out and Still Showing Up: An Inside Look at Health Coaching - Session 4 Tina

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Hello.

What's new and good my dear?

I have to think it's been a while, right?

Um, I've been quite busy and this week my daughter then all of us

Danna Levy Hoffmann: And everyone gets sick.

Mm-hmm.

gets sick.

So I, so now my husband,

I was also thinking about before the meeting, if I wanted to prepare

for today and I. Actually forgot.

So I think you'd sent me this kind of reflect sheet, right?

And an hour ago I remembered, and I wa and I was thinking of doing it, but that

is it gonna be really representative.

my, is kind of not the best.

not saying I only want to do it when I'm feeling Super great or anything,

but maybe mood would be better.

And, yeah.

What else didn't I do?

I, I, I also managed to go to this doctor's office again.

She wanted to talk to you about that,

um, because The doctor said, we were talking alcohol, alcohol,

if I drink what I drink and how I feel afterwards and I said, I haven't really

seen a pattern, but sometimes I do get like, um, I don't feel so well next day.

Right?

I get like kind of diarrhea, whatever, and that I usually

feel the best if I just drink.

I think it's, there's a name, skinny bitch.

If I, if, if just vodka, good quality vodka and soda water.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Mm-hmm.

A little bit of lime juice, no sugar, nothing.

Right?

And if I keep to this drink, it's a weird topic, right?

When, when, considering that it's about

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Well.

But, but anyway, so this is why, what I answered that

I feel the best if I drink.

if I drink, I feel the best or the least worst next day, let's say, let's put it

like this, because alcohol is of course it's never healthy in, in that sense.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Yeah.

the least hangover, the least, whatever, I mentioned

white wine and she said maybe you should consider frying red wine.

and I said, why?

And she said, yeah, because white histamines.

however, something that bothered me at the end is I was like, was it wine that has

more histamines or was it the red wine?

And I checked, and I mean, considering that Red Rhine is made with this.

Cemented with the skin, it naturally has much higher

histamine content to white wine.

So I didn't, I didn't understand the afterwards, I'm hoping she

just meant maybe the sulfites she did say histamines, but maybe

she meant sulfites, I don't know.

Anyway, I mean, that kind of bothered me a bit.

And when these kind of things happen, I kind of trust.

I mean.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: yeah, I don't, I don't know that it was,

so, she is a functional medicine doctor, which differentiate her

from the old school doctors.

that we're used to.

Anyways, they're new school, but they're old school for the new, for

the, uh, functional medicine world.

Um, there is a direct correlation with migraines and histamine, which is

immediately when you said that she was talking to you about alcohol, it was like,

it was probably because of migraines, which is histamine intolerance, which

usually points to histamine intolerance.

So I can imagine why she said that.

Now.

I can also, this is just a guessing game, right?

I wasn't even a fly on the wall, but I can imagine that her thinking

was, is it going to be realistic for me to tell her like, alcohol has

histamine, please don't drink alcohol.

Or do I need to find a, like the lowest histamine solution for her if she wants

to drink, to have that specific drink?

I don't know if she mentioned the white or the red.

I have no idea what, what happened there.

Right?

It's.

I mean, she said, she said that because I don't drink red wine.

I drink white wine,

I will ask her myself, but it, it

kind of bothered me.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Yeah.

when these things happen, I kind of I dunno.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Yeah.

No, I get it.

I can totally understand where you're coming from.

I always do have to remind you that she's a, she's a human too, right?

So we can't, we always look at doctors and we're like, oh, super human.

They know everything.

They have all the solutions.

It's not really true.

and at the end of the day, yeah, she's human too.

If she made a mistake, and especially if you guys were speaking in

English, I don't know, you know, it could, it could be like a lost in

translation kind of thing, right?

German because she

Danna Levy Hoffmann: In German.

Yeah.

It doesn't

Danna Levy Hoffmann: So, yeah.

No, but, but listen, it's, it is an important topic obviously, because it

was sitting on your, on your mind, but also because in general, and again, I

was actually thinking of talking to you about this just because, you know, I,

I just, again, for the listeners, we missed, um, our last call because you were

suffering from a migraine for a couple of days and you just couldn't attend to the

call, which is totally understandable.

Um.

I forgot to apologize again for that.

Sorry.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Don't worry about it.

No, no.

You don't need to apologize.

Again, you're a human too.

We get it.

but because the migraines are consistent and, and keep coming up and stuff like

that, it was also something on my mind to talk to you about because that's not

fun to have a migraine every, you know, like weak or, or it's too, even, even

once a month, it's too much if you ask me.

Right.

So I think the, the conversation around.

Histamines, should be a, a, a slightly bigger one where we do need to maybe

discuss or give you the task to look it up on what is triggering your histamine

reaction, what could potentially be, be triggering it and therefore maybe.

That could be just the one thing that you're focusing on at the moment is

I'm just gonna try and have things that are low in histamine and keep

track of how often I have migraines, Just so that potentially you could

feel better, because again, if you're having a migraine once a week.

Obviously you're not gonna have energy to figure anything else out because

you're just on survival mode 24 7 and then, and then a, a migraine attack,

which can last forever and throws you off completely and you're still

trying to raise a kid and you're still trying to work and you're still trying

to do everything that you're doing.

so maybe her approach wasn't great.

but I do think it should be a topic either with her, with me, or for your own,

kind of like research in the background.

because again, there's usually two big triggers.

It's either, it's not, it's not either or, it's, but, but mainly

it's either histamine or hormona.

Right.

Those two things could be, uh, huge triggers, and it is helpful

to try and figure out what it is so that you suffer less from it.

You also mentioned something at the beginning, and I wanted to go back to

it quickly, but I just, now I'm blank.

Um, but let's just continue.

that,

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Yeah.

Your kid is sick and everyone's sick and mm-hmm.

she doesn't get sick so often.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Mm-hmm.

Mm mm.

However, but if she does, then of course we all.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Yeah.

Yep.

Dominoes.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah.

That's very common honestly, with kids at a young age and,

and they're like German fested.

They are, they just are.

Those little creatures are collect so many germs.

Um, of course there are, yeah.

You know, ways that we can strengthen our own immune system,

but it's a whole big world.

This time shall pass.

I know it doesn't feel like it at the moment, but all of a sudden she'll

be old enough and not, you know, pick other kids' noses and you'll be fine.

but yeah, I think that's, that is a pretty hard part of having a toddler at home is

just, you just get everything they get.

My husband used to get like.

Childhood diseases for my kids.

I'm like, how are you getting hand, foot and mouth like it's

a kid's disease and he got it.

it just is what it is.

Mm

Danna Levy Hoffmann: we just have to continue loving them until they're

old enough for us to also stand them.

let me ask you something else.

'cause you really, like, we started the colon and you very much

kind of focused on the negative.

You were like, what else did I not do?

I know.

I was thinking what is good?

there were some, some things it's just right now so hard for me to remember.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Yeah,

I.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: no problem.

Let me ask you, because I know that, before, I don't remember if it

was before our last call, I think.

Yeah.

So about a month ago you did mention that you went to.

some kind of therapy.

It wasn't massage, it was maybe, I wanna say shiatsu.

I was gonna say Tai chi.

I'm like, it's not Tai chi.

And you went climbing as well, so I was wondering if those two things

stayed in the repertoire or not at all.

No, but, you know, ages I wanted to make an appoint.

For, uh, the dentist.

I have an appointment for the dentist next week and on Monday I helped out a friend

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Mm-hmm.

and, uh, there was like a nice positive outcome so it made me happy that

I was able to help her, She had some issues at school with her middle one and,

um, I was able to support and translate

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Amazing.

so that felt good.

Um, what else?

did I, did I ever, my, my daughter has like a pro daddy face.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: No,

Oh

Danna Levy Hoffmann: think so.

Okay.

That's

Danna Levy Hoffmann: I, you did mention it in, by text, you said

that at night if she wakes up, she wants daddy, which I thought was.

A positive.

It sounded like it wasn't a positive for you though.

Yeah.

So the funny thing is I talked to my husband, you know, and he's

like, yeah, but you know, he doesn't think that he is overall parent.

He's just preferred.

When it comes to this night situation, when she wakes up at

night, that she prefers me for other situations, but somehow it like

that it's an overall pro daddy face.

because in the night it's when she's the most vulnerable

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Mm-hmm.

and.

And I, I don't know.

I feel I failed as a mother, that she doesn't want me to be

the one to come and soothe her.

So what do I do?

Last night, I slept next to her.

to show her.

I'm here.

I'm here.

Mommy is here.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: And then she wakes up in the middle of the

night and still calls daddy or,

Uh, she said, no, not you.

She actually woke up last night and said,

Danna Levy Hoffmann: okay.

you, you go away.

And then I was like, I'm just gonna ignore that, you know,

because it hurts too much also.

Plus she's just sleeping half asleep.

I mean,

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Sure.

it like consciously, right?

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Yeah.

And then Her head and then kind of, stroking her And

so that was, that was fine.

That was a nice, right.

I just hope this face goes away

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Listen, so, okay, let's open that Pandora box

I cannot explain it.

Only Freud could explain it, but there is definitely a thing with girls,

especially at these ages, toddler age, girls prefer daddy, boys prefer mommy.

And it's just a fact.

I would take advantage of it, sweetie, because you're lacking sleep and you

need that, so take advantage of it.

I can tell you for a fact, we're three girls in the family.

I can tell you for a fact that we all always prefer mom.

She is our favorite.

She always will be.

She is our best friend.

That little stage compared to like the entirety of her life.

It is nothing.

It's just a little speck in time.

Enjoy it.

Take advantage of it.

You will wish that it will come back at some point.

I promise you that, especially when she's a teenager.

Enjoy it.

Really just take advantage of it.

Just be like, cool Daddy gets night shift.

You know what I mean?

Like you get the, the awake time.

He gets the sleeping time.

Hopefully he can manage lack of sleep a bit better.

and you can just sleep through it hopefully.

I don't know if you can, but at least like, you know, you don't have

to get, physically get out of bed and go to her and then lose some

hours of sleep, going back to sleep.

So I know it's not necessarily what you wanted to hear, but you are

definitely not a bad mom for it.

It's just nature.

Nature's stupid.

It really is.

I mean like it's beautiful and it's stupid all at once and it just is what it is.

Kids are mean.

I babysit a 2-year-old right now, so like love her to pieces, but she's

a little bitch and it is what it is.

And it's like she'll come up to me and within 10 minutes

she'll be like, I love you.

I don't love you, I love you, I don't love you.

And I'm like.

I love you.

Like, does that count at all?

She's like, no, it means nothing to me.

So, you know, it just, it just is what it is.

It's just that stage.

And when I had two year olds, I took it personally as well.

Right?

Now I can take it from a distance and be like, oh, now I get it.

So it is, it is.

It's like you're a little human.

You carried her, you gave birth to her, you lost hours of sleep over her.

And then she's like, yeah, no, you're not the one, sorry.

Yeah.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: It's hurtful, but it's not intentional and it's

not something that, I think it's just kind of like the universe being like,

you get a break, at least at night.

Just take it.

Just enjoy it.

She loves you, obviously.

She loves you.

Mm.

Ah, thanks.

It, it kind of helps to hear it from a more neutral point.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: I'm sure you said exactly the same stuff.

Yeah.

But it is

Yeah.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: it does make a difference, doesn't it?

I think the reason why parenting is so hard, it's because in the

moment everything is so big.

You know what I mean?

Like those things, like you look at it in a couple of years and you'll be like,

wow, I really lost sleep over this.

Like I really was, it made me miserable to a certain degree and I can't believe that

that actually triggered me in that way.

It's gonna.

Look, it's gonna get much wor I, I, I wish I could say, say it in a nicer way.

And you know, I'm like, I love my kids when they're asleep.

Like it, they're amazing, but please just go to sleep.

You know?

And they're 17 and 16 and I'm still like, Ugh, okay, I love you.

But she's gimme a break, man.

Parenting, parenting is hard.

There's no break from it.

And then we just take it all in.

We take everything.

So.

Personally, and it's like, you know, it's just there constantly that

it's so hard to separate yourself from it and then all of a sudden

it's the past and you're like, what?

Why did I make such a big deal out of this?

Why was I even like thinking about this?

This is nothing in the grand scheme of things.

So, you know, coming from someone who really suffered, when my kids were

young, I was depressed, I was burned out.

That was everything.

Just coming from that same kind of place, I'm just telling you like that time passes

like crazy fast, crazy, crazy fast, and all of a sudden there's a different stage

in their life that you need to adjust to.

And we're constantly trying to catch up to their new stage and by the time we

catch up, they are at a another new stage.

And it's exhausting,

mm.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: and it's so much easier said than done.

Just take a deep breath and just be like, okay, moving on.

You know, just like what is the the important thing that I need to

do right now or think about right now because this is uncomfortable,

but it's not life or death.

I am keeping this little human alive.

I am making sure she's fed.

I'm making sure she's dressed.

I'm making sure she's loved.

I'm making sure I pick her up and take her to daycare.

Like you are doing so much sleep.

Let your husband take care of her at night.

It's totally fine.

Yeah.

Okay.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: That was like half-assed, like, ah, it's

still gonna bother me, but fine.

Yeah, my husband recently said, maybe we just have to make another one.

I'm like, what?

Danna Levy Hoffmann: And hope it's a boy.

I don't know.

Yeah.

Let's

Danna Levy Hoffmann: I wouldn't, I wouldn't recommend

that personally, but Sure.

Yeah, I'm also not so sure.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: yeah.

he said it in a more kind of joking, like talking about a second one, but.

So he brings it up in, in different situations

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Hmm.

and yeah.

Let's see.

moment I feel so drained, I cannot imagine the right now.

And when you said that you were depressed and burned out, I

can see also a few reasons why.

Um, and talk to my husband about it.

And, and I did say if, if we really decide, you know, second child, then,

then we really have to remember this, that if something like this happens

again, you know, like that we remember that we want to handle it differently.

one reason why, uh, one, one thing was really, really, really missing being close

to my mother and spent like a little bit of longer period of time with my parents

and they live a little bit far away.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Yeah.

and my husband has.

A new job.

So, um, he didn't want during his probation time, immediately

ask for, whatever, he wanted to get to know the team and stuff,

I totally get from his point.

Then I tried to be the, I don't know what I tried to be.

I just said.

Oh, if you go and spend so much time there, then I will you guys so much.

and, can't you just stay here?

And we ask them to come more often

. Danna Levy Hoffmann: Hmm.

However, that never really worked out yeah.

It just didn't really work.

So, I dunno what it is.

But in my case, definitely when I, um, when I gave.

had a newborn.

I really, I really wanted to my mom around

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Hmm.

And, I don't know, maybe it's not just me, maybe it's also other people.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: percent.

yeah,

Danna Levy Hoffmann: A hundred percent because that's the, that's

the person that kind of raised you.

So you're like, they know what the hell they're doing.

Like they can help me.

Um, and they are more laid back at grandparents stage.

So it is very helpful.

I can totally understand that.

Yeah.

So I'm already thinking, I don't know how many decades ahead, you

know, I'm lucky enough, privileged enough to at some point also welcome

my grandchildren into the world.

You know, I'm just gonna put an offer there.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Yeah, exactly.

I got my bags packed already.

Just gimme the sign.

ready.

yeah.

Another thing is that I'm kind of losing sleepovers.

I, um, I'm thinking about this whole a hundred percent work situ,

and, on one hand I'm kind of.

Proud, you know, that I can make the a hundred percent work.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Mm-hmm.

So we don't have that much family support because

they all live in Switzerland.

They live kind of far away.

but We have help around the house, my husband and I, we, the system, you know.

something is always not perfect, right?

I'm already moving away from trying to be perfect because I will not be, I'm already

moving away from this feeling of guilt.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Hmm.

I will always feel guilty.

I will always feel guilty if I not do much.

Not don't, don't do enough at, I will always have the feeling.

I don't do do enough at home.

I don't do enough here.

I don't do enough there.

I feel like I need sort of a break or reset or whatever.

It's not finalized, but leaning more and more towards taking a break after my

contract ends, my two year contract ends, and away from this pressure to immediately

have another job when my contract ends.

What I'm doing

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Hmm.

is like an entry level position.

which is a chance to have an entry in the corporate industry to rotate

through different positions and roles and, and learn how the organization

works, et cetera, to get experience.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Mm

so, I'm, I'm, I,

Danna Levy Hoffmann: sure.

I'm, I mean, judging from the I, feedback I get, I'm doing well.

So, however, there's this, there's this kind of hammer like, okay, November.

soon.

Soon the new year starts.

Your contract ends in summer and you, you have to kind of start applying now,

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Mm-hmm.

Because it's gotta take a while.

know until you have the right profile you want to apply for until you have reached

out to the right people, and then there will be more than one interview round.

There will be other applicants and la la.

So it'll take a

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Yeah.

and energy and

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Hmm.

I feel like I really need pressure off rather have something

to look for and then at least for a little while, on top of things

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Mm-hmm.

least to have, you know, up with my needs, to, to self care,

just for a little while because.

This is such a luxury thing I'm aware, you know, because we can actually

this for a couple of months and Yeah.

So I don't know.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: I have to say, I wholeheartedly support that

position because to me it's quite.

Uh, I'm just gonna be super blunt.

Okay?

yeah, I

Danna Levy Hoffmann: To me, it's quite obvious that you're burnt out.

To me, it's quite obvious that you're stuck in a rat race and you just can't

seem to figure out how to get out of it.

You have a lot of other factors and a lot of other things standing

that you are not necessarily, you either don't feel comfortable

letting them go because you feel.

Bad because of the other people, or you just feel obligated to do right.

And I think that it would be very hard for anyone to get out of that funk, to get

out of that chronic exhaustion and just chronic kind of like, you know, you're

just trying to clinging onto things and you're trying to get outta this big.

Huge hole that you're in, and then as soon as you see the light, there's

something that like smacks you on the head and you're kinda like, drop down.

You're starting to climb on again.

And I, this is just from the few calls that we had, you know, like

the, the first call or two, you were, you were exhausted, you were

cap put, as we say in German, right?

You were just dead and then there was a couple one, one call or maybe, yeah.

It must be just one call that you were really feeling good.

You were, you had different energy I could feel.

That kind of like that old you that you mentioned that you used to be,

Hmm.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: and now you know with a migraine last time,

now you have this flu and it's kind of like, ugh, I'm back to zero.

And this to me, and I'm not an expert, I'm not an expert, but I have been

trying to claw myself out of a burnout, uh, uh, the last few years myself.

And we actually interviewed also quite a few experts on, on burnout.

So.

You know, collecting all of that information and being,

uh, uh, treated myself for it.

I can tell you that the harder you try to breach that perfection that

you're talking about, uh, the harder it is to come out of that burnout.

So to continue the way that you're going.

Will not be beneficial in the long run.

And now, especially considering having another kid in the midst of

all of the other things, um, which to me, I mean like, look, I, I, I

think one kid is enough, honestly, and I have to, but I think it's just.

Understanding that yes, of course we get a lot from sniffing the little baby

head and snuggling it and, and loving it and it's needing you and, and all

of the things that we have babies for.

But the baby stage goes like two seconds later.

They don't want you to come to them because they want

daddy, you know what I mean?

Like, it's not as rewarding as, as we kind of dream that it will be.

Mm.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Despite it being beautiful, it's kind of like, wow, it's a

lot more exhausting than it is rewarding.

It's like doing a very, very, very hard job, like the hardest job on the planet

with getting like close to zero re reward.

And then we're also having a hundred percent job, and then we're also

having blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And all the, the, the, extracurricular things that you're doing and the

extracurricular things that you wanna do.

And I think that if you do take that time.

When you know that it's inevitable that, anyways, the contract design,

it's not like you're quitting and it's not like you're being fired

because you, you suck at your job.

But like, all right, contract is over.

Now I have a moment.

Even if I take six months, even if I take a year, but I come out of it stronger,

I come out of it fulfilled and healed.

Nothing in the world is worth that.

Nothing in the world.

Because then you will find your strength with your child.

You will find your strength for a new job.

You will find your strength to maybe even go and climb once or twice a week

in between all those things because you will have that energy back.

So you're filled up that bucket with everything that you need.

that's my little 2 cents.

And I, I, you know, usually with the coaching sessions, I'll

be a, I ask more questions and I trigger things in you, but.

Just by kind of like, you know, working with you for a little bit and being in

touch and seeing kind of the patterns I would really look into just healing

at the moment because you'll get so much more out of it, I promise you.

Yeah,

I think so.

So it's, I have a very strong gut feeling about this.

You know,

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Hmm,

of it, I feel like it's the right thing for me to do, to just take a break.

If it, if it's just for a couple of months,

Danna Levy Hoffmann: hmm.

you know, like I'm gonna start with, a vacation, you know,

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Hmm.

going somewhere.

Country where my parents are from, you know, a beautiful landscape

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Hmm.

and yeah.

Let's see.

I also wanted, ah, yeah, one thing.

Um, so I have, I told you I have like so many activities around

the singing and the bands, right?

So I, I dec I did decide which one I want to, uh, toss.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Oh, that's big.

is tos, is toss the right word?

Because it's, it sounds a bit, uh,

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Nope.

or

Danna Levy Hoffmann: No, they, they can't hear you.

It's okay.

I'm not judging and they can't hear you, so toss.

So, um, which one?

The, I just, it was not really easy, but,

Danna Levy Hoffmann: You should be super proud of yourself for

that, that that's a huge win.

Because I know when I asked you about them, you were re it was really

hard for you to kind of go like, yeah, I'm gonna get rid of one.

You were quite, um,

Yeah.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: cemented in like, I can't let them, I can't let them down.

Yeah.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Was basically your language.

Right?

So I'm really glad that that's, that's, that's big.

We have like this kind of Christmas gig.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Hmm.

Um, I will do that one and then I will say where we kind of, you know,

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Yeah.

Part ways.

Perfect.

Uh, you should be super proud of yourself.

I know.

I am.

let's think let's think about, something that might actually give you a bit of

fulfillment in terms of just a goal.

and this is just thinking off the top of my head.

Let me know what you think about it or if you have another, a better idea, but.

basically we touched the most important parts at the way end of the call is

like that you're, you're gonna leave one of the bands and that you're s

seriously thinking of just taking a few months break between contracts.

Why don't you do this?

Why don't you make a list of all of the things.

They don't have to be big.

It's not, it doesn't have to be like, I wanna travel the world and I wanna become

a millionaire and I wanna like eat healthy and I want not that type, but rather

like, what are your goals for that time?

Pretend that you have, I honestly would recommend not nothing less than three

months, but like pretend you have.

Three months, four months, five months, I don't know.

What would you want to achieve?

And nothing is okay to achieve too.

Like literally I wanna sit on the sofa and not do anything for three

days straight is, is reasonable.

What do I wanna achieve in that time?

What do I want to gain from that time?

Okay, so again, relaxing is a, is a very reasonable something

to achieve in that time.

Do you see where I'm going with this?

It doesn't have to be like an achievement, like climb a fucking mountain, but

rather like, what am I doing for myself in that time to utilize that

time for myself, for my healing?

Do you think that's doable?

Do okay, let's keep that just as a very simple kind of like what do I,

what am I gonna do with that time?

Time is flying much faster than, than it used to.

Right?

So you wanna make sure that you have that down before you

actually have that time off.

Otherwise, if you start making that list, when you just get off of that

contract, you'll still be writing that list when you're back in another contract.

That's my, my concern there.

What do you think doable.

Were you expecting something else as goals for

No, I, I wasn't expecting it.

I,

Danna Levy Hoffmann: perfect.

uh, yeah, I've, I've been been telling about my plans to

take a break for a while now and

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Hmm.

that it's really something that I do and that it.

It will be very rewarding.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Yeah, you deserve it, that's for sure.

And you need to, you know, feel better in your own head and your own skin.

So I think that would be very helpful.

I,

Yeah.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: very helpful.

Yeah, yeah.

Thanks.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: the key there is not to hit the ground running.

As soon as you had like three months of relaxation, all of a sudden go, okay,

now I'm ready for a hundred percent job and another kid, and that's the risk

because we think that we have the ability that we had before and we just never do.

Every burnout, you come out a bit weaker and that's okay.

I think it's just for our own benefit at the end of the day.

Okay, love.

Take a deep breath.

Thank you.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: You're doing well.

You're killing it.

You just need a little bit of a, a little bit of a breather, but

I know you're gonna get there.

Thank

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Okay.

your time.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Of course, no problem at all.